Cleaners, come to us!

4 05 2007

Hello everyone, this is your dear Reactive talking here. We, the Manga Underground team, are in a very deep need of cleaners. Lately, many of our cleaners have been leaving, some suddenly dissapeared, Senbonzakura, our main cleaner that cleaned mostly all our releases up to chapter 15, got his PC burned recently, so what we’re saying is, we’re basically out of “cleaning power”.
So, are you a cleaner? Do you want to be one? Know the basics? Come to us! We will try helping everyone, in what manner we can but, there’s something else we need from you:
– ~2 hours a day online
– Registering on our forum, we keep track of things better that way
– Join the IRC channel(regularly), talking directly to the others makes things go smoother. You don’t know your way around IRC? Don’t worry, we’ll help you.
– Be nice, we don’t need jackasses in our team.
– Be prepared, you might get hospitalized while being abused by us! (joking)
– Be responsible and reliable, should you ever have problems just tell us, don’t dissapear out of nowhere.
Either leave a comment, register on the forum and contact me, silverado or yal, or just contact us on the irc channel. We want you bad!

PS: There will be a delay in the XS ch 16 release, sorry.

Ares ch 82 by KMTS


Cupid No Itazura Nijidama Volume 01-07 Complete RAW | Mirrors: Manga Archive


Bad Shield United Oneshot RAW by Kube Tite (Bleach)


Shin Angyo Onshi v12ch20f by ETC


Feng Yun ch 3 by Mahua Revolution
IRC: #manhua-revolution@irc.irchighway.net
Trigger: /ctcp GolSho rocks Feng Yun 3


Project ARMS vol16 by Manga-Sketchbook


School of Water Business ch 1-15

Unbalance X Unbalance ch 37 by KMTS

~ Reactive, silverado ~


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4 05 2007
Megaton

UxU Ch 37, not 38…though if you magically have ch38 scanlated I would love to have it, ^_^.

4 05 2007
moondo

thanks !!

5 05 2007
Anonymous

Whats with distributing all of this already licenced stuff? That shit is cold. I mean, if you don’t like they way they did the translating or lettering or whatever thats fine, don’t buy it. Bootlegging it like this is pretty low though. Least you could do is stop making/distributing scanlations like most “legit” groups do.

5 05 2007
silverado

Hi ano,

you understand that we’re just linking but not distributing Project Arms and that you can get the link from almost every manga update site, don’t you? Also I leave the choice of series to the authors and their taste. If they add a series they like, it’s fine with me, even if it’s licensed. And I’m sorry but I don’t see a point in stopping Eden just because one user complains about it. Nevertheless I thank you for your opinion.

PS: School of Water Business is not licensed but a very cool read🙂

silverado

5 05 2007
MU Commando

“Whats with distributing all of this already licenced stuff? That shit is cold. I mean, if you don’t like they way they did the translating or lettering or whatever thats fine, don’t buy it. Bootlegging it like this is pretty low though. Least you could do is stop making/distributing scanlations like most “legit” groups do”

Please STFU.

5 05 2007
az060693

“Whats with distributing all of this already licenced stuff? That shit is cold. I mean, if you don’t like they way they did the translating or lettering or whatever thats fine, don’t buy it. Bootlegging it like this is pretty low though. Least you could do is stop making/distributing scanlations like most “legit” groups do.”

What kind of douchebag are you?

5 05 2007
Siedhr

There’s no such thing as a “legit” scanlation group. We’re all illegal.

5 05 2007
invalent

“Whats with distributing all of this already licenced stuff? That shit is cold. I mean, if you don’t like they way they did the translating or lettering or whatever thats fine, don’t buy it. Bootlegging it like this is pretty low though. Least you could do is stop making/distributing scanlations like most “legit” groups do.”

additionally to the already mentioned points I have to say that its not licensed in ALL other countries…maybe in the US, but the US certainly does not equal to the world >_< Although most of the scanlation groups are from the US, a lot of people from other countries can't just buy the eng release. (There are even issues that some US Publishers can't export their mangas, cus they are not licensed in that region/or already in that language, so they can't deliver >_>)

6 05 2007
az060693

We’re all illegal? Hmm… I live in the US, so most of the animes and mangas on this site aren’t illegal for me, since they’re not licensed here.

6 05 2007
nugetsnfries

O.o uh…did you ever put a link for Unbalance X2 chapter 36?

6 05 2007
Anonymous

Anon again.

: you understand that we’re just linking but not distributing Project Arms and that you can get the link from almost every manga update site, don’t you?

So you just hook ’em up with the dealer, but not sell of the goods? Yeah, I can see how thats totally unrelated. Now I’m not trying to get all holier than thou on anyone, I’m just trying to say you gotta have some respect for the people how make a living at this stuff. Reading a work not even legitimately released in English isn’t hurting anyone, you can’t hurt a business that doesn’t exist, but if its out in English and still being sold (and most importantly is easy as hell to get) and your helping people bootleg it it kinda smells funny to me. These books are cheap as shit these days, a days worth of work at most jobs is enough to buy a half dozen of ’em (and I make minimum wage).

Anyway, many sites do not link works licenced in English (manganews.net seems like a big one). I’m not just talking about Project Arms. Battle Angel, Unbalance X2, Air Gear, even Maison Ikkoku have been linked here (and MI has been for sale in English for 10 years or something like that). Don’t get me wrong, I like what you do here but I think its kinda counter-productive if you are under cutting the domestic release, in the long run it hurts company efforts to game manga released in English. Hell some of your links point to scans of Viz releases, not even done by a scanlator, how is that cool with you? They aren’t even doing the work themselves! Sites like Pirate Bay can say what they do isn’t illegal all they like, but it still smells funny.

: Please STFU.

Please suck my cock.

:What kind of douchebag are you?

The kind that gives a shit about the domestic publishers asshat. I actually like to hold the books in my hands, not squinting at fuzzy JPEGs with 5th grade English plastered all over them. I’m not saying all English distributors are good (Tokyo Pop for example), but if the work is half way decent you should at least buy the thing. Most books are under 10 fucking bucks, what kind of cheap shit are you if you wont spend 10 bucks to help the companies do more of what they do? Thats like 3 gallons of gas these days, your cheap ass probably spends that much to stuff his face at McD’s every day.

: There’s no such thing as a “legit” scanlation group. We’re all illegal.

Honor among thieves, my friend. I find that most groups are into the comics they translate and want them to be successful, so they say things like “once this is licenced please stop distribution” or “please buy the domestic release if it gets licenced”. They do the same shit in Japan, like only doing limited printing of DJs even if there is high demand, that way they wont undermine the creators works. Some dude got in deep shit over there a few months back for breaking that unwritten rule, up until than most companies would let it slide if you did a DJ based on their IP. If you scanlated a work thats already out in English and still being actively released (3×3 Eyes would be an example of a series with a dead US licence, Naruto worked be and active one) you would be less “legit” than a group that only worked on unlicensed stuff. If you strait scanned the US release and put it out there you would be a flaming pile of dog shit in my eyes.

: additionally to the already mentioned points I have to say that its not licensed in ALL other countries…maybe in the US, but the US certainly does not equal to the world >__>)

I find that, while a publisher would be concerned about shipping outside their contacted areas, a retailer could give two shits and well ship almost anything anywhere you pay them to.

: We’re all illegal? Hmm… I live in the US, so most of the animes and mangas on this site aren’t illegal for me, since they’re not licensed here.

You’d be surprised. True, most of it isn’t released in English, but I would say about 1/5th of the stuff linked here is. Like the tard right below your post asking for Unbalance X2, he can buy it for $9.95 (about 9 bucks even if you use an online wholesaler like I do) and its a very good release. Slightly larger than a standard Japanese tankobon, color dust jacket even, and greater lettering and translation quality. http://www.animecornerstore.com/ununno.html

6 05 2007
Anonymous

: you understand that we’re just linking but not distributing

Oh yeah, just noticed, you guys run the “Manga Archive” right? I see its on a different address so if I’m wrong just disregard, but most of this stuff is on there isn’t it?

6 05 2007
silverado

Hi Anon, I see that you put a lot of effort writing the post, so I suspect that you’re one of our regular visitors. You should know that we concentrate our time on tracking unlicensed series. The minor percentage containing licensed series can be seen as fairly unknown or just good enough to be posted (ofc some differences in taste exist). But the fact that a series is licensed in the states means almost nothing to me because I neither live in the states nor do I want to pay 13 bucks for shipping a paper book. Purchasing power and living standards differ and as we speak a lot of people work for less than 1 $/h and others hardly earn 20 $ a month. So I’m sorry if we ignore the American living standards. Although I clearly see your point (it’s not new or anything), I must also respect the (long time) effort of the authors and therefore I won’t delete Project Arms from the site.

Honor among the unequal thieves, my friend!

“Hell some of your links point to scans of Viz releases, not even done by a scanlator, how is that cool with you? They aren’t even doing the work themselves! Sites like Pirate Bay can say what they do isn’t illegal all they like, but it still smells funny.”
– Oh sure but they put a lot of effort in scanning, cleaning and editing them, don’t they? Some of them even go all the way out to clean and typeset the raws just to put translation, because they dont have translators. If a group does a shabby job scanning a bad series you can be sure that we won’t even bother mentioning them. But some groups DO a good job even if it’s a VIZ release, they share it to the whole world. It’s no different from what some Japanese raw provider do. To say scanning raws is (more) legal than scanning “licensed” series is just as logic as allowing handguns for “self defense”. Both leads to harm, just the perspective has been changed.

Put the world in a nutshell.

6 05 2007
Siedhr

Most of what there was to say was covered in silverado’s post, including the all important buying power that differs so drastically among countries. $10 is a lot of money for Eastern Europe for example. I would however like to address a few points.

I find that, while a publisher would be concerned about shipping outside their contacted areas, a retailer could give two shits and well ship almost anything anywhere you pay them to.

You’ve made a point in your earlier post about how cheap it was to actually buy the comic. Well for people outside the mighty US, shipping costs as much and sometimes more than the actual volume. And if someone can buy from the US, they can just as easily buy from Japan.

Honor among thieves, my friend. I find that most groups are into the comics they translate and want them to be successful, so they say things like “once this is licenced please stop distribution” or “please buy the domestic release if it gets licenced”.

Well, in that case, while my group scanlates several series that were licensed in the US, we’re “legit” by your standards, because the majority of our members, including me, come from countries where this manga isn’t licensed and there’s a good chance it’ll never be licensed. So we’ll forever be “legit”. We might even expel those members whose countries licensed the manga, just to be on the safe side.😛

And that sticker you’re talking about is worse than useless. It’s just a smoke-screen to make that particular scanlator group appear holier than thou. People will be buy if they want and they won’t buy if they don’t want to.

Honor among thieves? Mayhap. However you’ve said it yourself, we are all thieves.

I actually like to hold the books in my hands, not squinting at fuzzy JPEGs with 5th grade English plastered all over them.
I like to hold the books in my hands too, but it is not possible. As for the second part of your phrase, let me just say this, it is quite obvious you’ve never worked on a scanlation in your life. Otherwise you would know the time and effort that goes into it.

We’re all illegal? Hmm… I live in the US, so most of the animes and mangas on this site aren’t illegal for me, since they’re not licensed here.
That is TEH bullshit. And if you give the most cursory read to some copyright laws, you will see it.

What scanlation groups do is ILLEGAL, period. There’s no such thing as a “legitimate” stealing of intellectual property. There are just groups that admit to what they’re doing and pompous ass groups that pretend to smell like roses.

7 05 2007
Anonymous

Anon once again.

: won’t delete Project Arms from the site.

Thats fine by me, I’m not asking anyone to delete anything, I’m just saying is kinda cold and trying to make people aware that some of the stuff here is picked up in English (and in the Case of Ux2 a very high quality release). As I said before, most of the stuff here clearly isn’t released in English, but more than a few titles are. Just skimming back a few pages and I count 9 series that are licenced.

: Purchasing power and living standards differ and as we speak a lot of people work for less than 1 $/h and others hardly earn 20 $ a month.

Ok, who here lives in an English speaking country that earns less than $1 an hour? How many of the people downloading from the links you provide live in these counties and how many are just moochers in the states? If you live in eastern Europe chances are you can’t read English and these release are targeted at English speakers right? I’m just trying to say that you eliminate the doubt if you don’t list to stuff not being actively released in English.

: And that sticker you’re talking about is worse than useless. It’s just a smoke-screen to make that particular scanlator group appear holier than thou. People will be buy if they want and they won’t buy if they don’t want to.

So how come every group I’ve download from (not saying ALL do, just every one I’ve used) always removes their links when a series gets picked up? Even if they are only half way thru. Entropy Manga for example just dropped a series they were working on because Dark Horse picked it up (I found out about the series from here btw). Like I said, honor among thieves. Its like stealing for an abandoned factory and stealing form the local steel mill. One isn’t really providing jobs even though its illegal and really owned by someone, but they wont miss it and no one gets hurt; the other its kind low because its hurting an industry that is providing jobs and doing good work. Black and white doesn’t cut it, you gotta see shades of grey. Whats illegal isn’t always “wrong” and what is “wrong” isn’t always illegal.

: never worked on a scanlation in your life. Otherwise you would know the time and effort that goes into it.

I have done proof-reading work, but thats not really working on it, its not the hard bits at least. I can tell you I have seen some shit poor work in my day. The old Love Hina and DNA² stuff that was done quite awhile before they were picked up in the US was strait crap, and back then that was the standard. Hell it looked like they used MS Paint to put the text into the word bubbles. Tokyo Pop did little better with the series when they first released it, so i can’t blame a scanlator. Even some of the release today aren’t very good. Sure clean up and lettering work is much improved over 10 years ago but translations can be poor and many times the English (notice I have a bit of a hang up about that?) can be is C- in quality.

:We’re all illegal? Hmm… I live in the US, so most of the animes and mangas on this site aren’t illegal for me, since they’re not licensed here.
That is TEH bullshit. And if you give the most cursory read to some copyright laws, you will see it.

That wasn’t posted by me, that was someone else and I was responding to them. If you were just squeezing all your responses into one post and it wasn’t meant for me just disregard.

7 05 2007
Jinchi

Oh my, another “less illegal” person. It’s like one of those redneck caricatures, “Yes sir, I beat my wife. But just with open hand, not with the fist. That’s less illegal, right?” However people try to justify their wrongdoings, the bottom line is: Everyone who distributes a scanned manga page goes to hell. No matter what language it is from, whether it’s just scanned, butchered or whatnot. The difference is just whom are you stealing from. From the Japanese publisher and author, US publisher or all of them.

But people are free to think whatever they want to make them sleep at nights, as long as they don’t try to force their silly opinions to others.

7 05 2007
Siedhr

Anon, no disrespect, but I laugh in your general direction.

Ok, who here lives in an English speaking country that earns less than $1 an hour?
What do you understand by English speaking country? Countries where English is the official language? Countries where English is taught in school? Are you aware of how many people on this Earth can read and speak English without being born or living in a country which has it as an official language? Uh, no, you aren’t?

By the way, I’m not making the argument that it’s right to steal if you’re poor. I’m just pointing out the flaws in your original argument. What’s cheap in the US can be quite expensive in the rest of the world.

If you live in eastern Europe chances are you can’t read English and these release are targeted at English speakers right?
My comment to this is: hahahahaha. Let me say this again in case it was lost.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, we people from Eastern Europe think computers are teh magic and indoor plumbing is an alien concept that belongs in other countries. Whereas the US is the world that matters and the barren steps of eastern Europe are populated by a handful of people that live in holes in the ground and expose our unwanted offspring to the elements if one of their feet is shorter.

“high-fives” Jinchi. Good argument. Funny you should be the one to post about this.😄 (If you are who you think you are).

Anon, you have a seriously warped sense of morality and of right and wrong. Those shades of gray you’re talking about come into play when the punishment is handed out, not when the crime is recognized. Stealing is still stealing. Punishment to fit the crime. Where the key word is still crime. Savvy?

Whats illegal isn’t always “wrong” and what is “wrong” isn’t always illegal.
Ok. Stealing is both wrong and illegal.

And what do you steal from an abandoned factory? Dust? Junk? Or are you talking about this fantasy abandoned factory where the owners actually left something of value inside?

So how come every group I’ve download from (not saying ALL do, just every one I’ve used) always removes their links when a series gets picked up?
Uh, tough question. Maybe cause you picked them using that criteria? Just a thought.

And that last part was indeed meant for the original poster. I should have made that more clear.

8 05 2007
Anonymous

: What do you understand by English speaking country?

A country where English is spoken by a large portion of the population. Examples: The U.S., Canada, the U.K., Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

: Are you aware of how many people on this Earth can read and speak English without being born or living in a country which has it as an official language? Uh, no, you aren’t?

Yes, I am. About 400 million or so people speak it as a first language (225 million or so of them live in the U.S.) with another 600 million or so as a second launage (with varing degrees of aptatude). Its about the thrid language over all as a first language, but first in total number of speakers irregardless of when they leanred it.

: My comment to this is: hahahahaha.

According to the EUs last survey (Eurobarometer, from 2006) 61 million people speak English as a first language, 58 million of them live in the U.K., which, last I checked, was not in eastern Europe (throw in Ireland, which is another 3 million and guess where almost all of the native speakers live?). About 170 million speak it as a second language in the EU, over 90 million of them do not live in eastern European countries. So that leaves about 70 to 80 million people in all of eastern Europe who speak English, how many can also read it? And how many of those read manga? Whats the total population in eastern Europe? Try about 400 million, less than a 5th of the population can understand English in any form.

: Yes, we people from Eastern Europe think computers are teh magic and indoor plumbing is an alien concept that belongs in other countries.

Did I say that wise guy? I don’t think so. When you done pattering yourself on the back for putting words in my mouth how about you come up with a courter-point that doesn’t involve rewriting the content of my post. I said chances are they don’t understand English, so I have an 80% chance of picking someone at random in eastern Europe and them having no idea what I say or write in English, thats what I ment and the stats prove me write in that statement.

: Anon, you have a seriously warped sense of morality and of right and wrong… …Stealing is still stealing. Punishment to fit the crime. Where the key word is still crime. Savvy?

All nice and black and white huh. Convenient. Let us remember I live in a country where the RIAA is blackmailing people to pay up to 2 grand a pop for a single stolen MP3 and getting away with it with the help of the legal system (oh and the artist can still sue you after that too). “Punishment to fit the crime” only happens if you have the money to buy a good lawyer. Yet still we have shades of grey; is murder murder no matter what (its copyright infringement not murder but I’m just trying to make a point)? So the death penalty is wrong? What about self defence? What about attempted suicide? Assisted suicide for the terminally ill? Abortions? Even for horribly deformed babies that wont live after birth and could kill the mother? Putting your dog down cause it gets sick or old? Some people would say yes to all of those, Many would say no to at least some. Stealing is the same way, many shades of grey. BTW If you want to start some interesting conversation at a philosophical debate forum bring up something like that, its a blast.

: Ok. Stealing is both wrong and illegal.

So you would never do it right? Right, thats what I thought. When it comes right down to it though, all else being equal, who would you rather steal from? Someone that will genuinely be hurt by it or someone that wouldn’t even know or care that it was happening? If the farmer ain’t gonna harvest the crop and doesn’t care enough to try and stop you from stealing a few ears of corn how wrong is that? These Japanese compaies know its going, hell in Japan they sponser events where DJ groups sell works that infringe on their copyrights, yet I don’t see a how lot of C&D orders or lawsuits flying about. When it gets picked up by a U.S. Company though there is money to be lost and you do see the publishers asking fan subbers and scanlators to stop (its mostly in the form of a “We plan on releasing this in the near future, please stop” letter and not a lawyer knocking on thier door).

8 05 2007
Anonymous

Sorry cut this bit off by mistake.

: Maybe cause you picked them using that criteria? Just a thought.

Nope. I pick my scanlators by the series they work with and the quality of their work, what they do with them when they get licenced is an afterthought. I stop downloading them no matter what the scanners do, I just find that in most cases they stop working on them as a sign of respect to the U.S. publishers and encourage people to by the books or DVDs. When it gets right down to it it helps the artists make more of what you like, even scanlations help by showing the guys in Japan what we want released over here. It hurts them when we don’t reward them for making series we like. Now its not like I can afford to go out and buy every series I’ve ever read a scan of, I do try though.

1 09 2007
wizzup?

yo anon JUST STFU AND BE HAPPY IF U DONT WANNA READ GET THE F*** OUT. AND EXCUSE ME U LIL CRACKER IF MY GRAMMAR IS BAD. I KNOW U SON OF A B****ES LIKE TO CORRECT UR SHIT AND STUFF. WHAT ANYONE DOES IS NONE OF UR BUSINESS AND I DONT THINK THEYRE EVER GOING TO STOP SCANLATING SO JSUT STOP BEING A DOUCHE




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